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Can we cause it to rain in the desert yet ?

I remember reading a SF book in the 1960s which included a means of weather control. The theory given was that in an arid region, a length of tough flexible plastic tube was prepared. One end of the tube was anchored down, allowing a flow of air to enter the base, and then air was pumped into the end anchored. The tube was inflated and gradually stood up with the column of air extending the vertical tube. At a critical height the warmer air at the base of the column would begin to be sucked in to replace the cooler air rising to the top. The pump could be switched off and when fully extended at a predetermined height column of cooler air at the top would condense into clouds and result in rain. This would be self sustaining with the cool air being drawn in at the base and escaping at the top. The technology and materials were obviously not available when the book was published,  but is this still true today?

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  • Asked by ronniec
  • on 2009-08-13 12:10:42
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gseydack says:

Having spent most of my career as an engineer in arid Namibia, this question was of interest to me. I recall from conversations in the 60's and 70's that some Namibian farmers had managed to obtain rockets used by the meteorological service, which they used to seed clouds with silver iodide. Allegedly this achieved some success, but caused much bad blood among neighbours, who by such actions felt cheated out of their fair share of the rain. This practice of cloud seeding has been discontinued in Namibia. A technical paper on a somewhat different method has been written by SK Moore in "spectrum", April 2004, a publication of the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers: "Electric rainmaking technology gets Mexico's blessing". The abstract of the paper states that in 2000, on a patch of parched pasture in Aguascalientes, the Mexican Electrificacion Local de la Atmosfera Terrestre SA (ELAT) erected a field of interconnected metal poles and wires. Since then, about as much rain is claimed to have fallen on the plains of Aquascalientes as on its more lush neighbour. At the time of writing, it was claimed that 17 such installations existed in six states in Mexico, and and that federal government agencies decided to back the construction and operation of 19 more by 2006. The technology is claimed to cause rainfall by ionising the air by amplifying the natural current between the earth and the ionosphere. According to this technology, ions attract water in the atmosphere creating the aerosol that produces clouds and they also charge the dust already in the air. Evidently, much research and experimentation on rain making is carried out world-wide. Ultimately, it is self-evident that all such efforts depend on existing moisture in the air, and extracting this moisture over a certain area will deprive other areas of that moisture. The problem is similar to the well-known problems of shared river flows and, as my experience in Namibia has shown, potentially causes a conflict of interests both locally as well as internationally. As an aside, for the reasons given, I don't believe that the answer to the world-wide increasing water shortage problem can be found in "rain making". Namibia is now looking toward sea water desalination on a scale that is regarded as economically viable. Here is not the place to go into this discussion, but finding a solution to most of man's problems is ultimately not so much subject to technical or economic constraints, than to constraints in the formulation and implementation of sound public policy.

Gunter Seydack Pr. Eng., Windhoek, Namibia

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posted on 2009-08-14 08:10:53 | Report abuse

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Thumper says:

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the aspect of ionization of the water molecules and dust particles in the atmosphere as a viable method of inducing rainfall, when required. The sceptics admit they have never worked with the process, even meteorologists in states like Colorado which promote strongly the aspect of cloud seeding, and receive huge funding for it, admit they have not personally checked out ionization, but are still willing to cast doubt on it.Read a statement by one of these meteorologists who is invested heavily in cloud seeding talking about ionization and draw your own conclusion http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_43/b3956105.htm calling it a hoax while the Mexican government dept of Agriculture had measured field data proving it's merit.

The idea that someone else is taking your rain is misguided.  Meteorologists will tell you that only 2-3% of the available moisture in the atmosphere ever falls out as precipitation. There is lots left there and this concept that others have benefitted at your expense is only due to lawyers chasing a paycheck. Governments cringe from the thought of being sued by landowners and other states and it is false information. On the otherhand Desalination plants are a US $ 10 billion a year revenue generating enterprize (from 14,451 plants) world wide and function as a conglomerate from the International Desalination Association (IDA), not counting the cost to build these plants. That amounts to a lot of political influence, regardless of the facts. Not to mention the huge amounts of toxic salt brine that needs to be disposed of and is very bad for the environment.

Water from a desalination plant can be measured and sold to thirsty landowners. Water from the atmosphere cannot. I think that this is the biggest reason ionization as well as many forms of "Cloud Busting" or Etheric rainmaking are discredited by seemingly unbiased professionals who admit they never test it themselves. All of which are usually connected to the governments or engineering firms who already have expensive cloud seeding or desalination projects being funded.

I personally built a cloud buster which used atomized water to enhance the ionization of the atmosphere, as a sceptic, only to be sadly, but surprizingly proved wrong on twelve separate occasions selected by the local farmers to make it rain over three growing seasons. On every occasion it rained heavily within 2-5 days of comencing operations in a 20km radius area in a drought region where cactus grows naturally. The farmers in that area have doubled to trippled crop yield in those three growing seasons, compared to other years and to farmers just 40km away in all directions. This was done for free, as an experiment with nothing to gain or lose on my part. What can I say, I was wrong, and so are the rest of the sceptics. Look into it yourself, build one using atomized water powering the process and give it a try. But use it wisely as you can also washout crops and even do storm damage if you are irresponsible with it. It also puts out massive amounts of negatively charged ions (from evaporating water molecules) and can adversely affect the human system which requires a positive charge to function properly,  so don't touch it and stay away from it when it is operating.

Check out "Cloud Busting, Rainmaking experiments and Etheric Rainmaking" and you will be amazed what is being done by scientists exploring the unknown rather than just being sceptical about it!

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