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Which would rust faster: a scalding hot barbecue or a cold one?

Over our Christmas barbecue it was 35 °C here on 25 December we started an argument. If it was raining (which it wasn't) which would rust faster, a scalding hot barbecue or a cold one, presuming they were made out of an iron-containing material?

Jayne Millington, Perth, Western Australia

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Marr965 says:

Chemistry teaches us that heat (in most cases) speeds up chemical reactions, so that is a possibility. On the other hand, the oxidisation of iron is exothermic, so excess heating would slow the rate of rusting. I would guess that the speed of rusting against heat is probably a parabola, so there must be a temperature at which the reaction of iron with air to form iron oxide is capped. I don't know this temperature, but I am fairly sure that it is higher than the temperatures your barbecue will be at. So the barbecue will probably rust faster at the higher temperature.

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posted on 2010-02-10 20:55:09 | Report abuse

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mgerben says:

Being exothermic does not mean the reaction will be slowed down by heat. Fire, for example, is exothermic and speeds up at higher temperatures.

For rusting, another important factor must be considered: Water.

Iron rusts in the presence of water. Dry iron does not rust.This follows from the chemical reactions of rusting - they require hydrogen atoms.

Salt water is even better because it provides excellent electron transport. But that's not the case here.

The question is: Scalding hot or cold bbq in the rain, which one rusts?

To answer that you need to answer some assumptions.

Are you assuming that the heat burns off the protective layer of the bbq? Are you in fact talking about iron here?Will both bbq's stay in the rain for days? Will the hot one cool down?

I'd say: If the rain is like a fine drizzle which lasts minutes, the cold one will be wet and stay wet - it will rust, while the hot one dries up and stays dry - meaning it won't rust.

If it pours, and both get the same amount of 'wetting', the oxidation will occur faster at the hot one - in that case there is so much water that the temperature cannot boil the water off, it just helps to speed up the reaction.

Of course, if it pours, you have to consider how long the scalding hot bbq will stay hot.

 

 

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posted on 2010-02-11 22:02:45 | Report abuse


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Jon-Richfield says:

Hopelessly too vague for any unqualified answer.

Does "scalding" mean 100° or 500°? Does "rusting" mean corroding, or producing rust?

Genuine red rust is mainly hydrated ferric oxide. You might get some at boiling temperatures, but not at temperatures attainable in a brisk barbie fire. However, salt, cresols, carbon black, and a job lot of chemicals encrust barbecues, and many of those strongly encourage rusting at normal temperatures when moist, as anyone can tell by inspecting the typical weathered barbecue.

In fact, contact with rust itself catalytically encourages further rusting because ferric oxide in contact with moist iron forms an electrochemical cell that produces incompletely oxidised iron. Atmospheric oxygen then re-oxidises the lot.

However, if you keep your iron good and hot, say 200° to 400°, in a spray of moisture, you might not get much rust, but you could easily get oxide layers that continually flake off and expose hot iron. Water and air then can attack that exposed iron directly, causing very rapid corrosion indeed, much faster than any of the usual corrosion at comfortable temperatures. So anyone wishing to win bets on this argument, had better keep a tame lawyer and an appropriate chemistry textbook handy.

Cheers,

Jon

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posted on 2010-02-12 20:11:31 | Report abuse


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bosh says:

Having recently lived in both the Caribbean and Canada, I can assure you that barbecues rust much quicker in a warm climate.

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posted on 2010-02-12 21:40:03 | Report abuse


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PeteFowler365 says:

A hot one. Roughly, a 10C rise in temperature doubles the rate of a simple, single-stage reaction like rusting.  That's why exhaust manifolds and mufflers rust faster than steel car body parts.  We live on the temperate south coast of NZ.  When we lived in the tropical Seychelles, where rainfall was about the same as here, cars rusted much faster than here.

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posted on 2010-02-14 03:55:39 | Report abuse


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jaydaman says:

The reaction of Iron (FE) with Oxygen (O) to make Iron-Oxide is endothermic (gives out energy) and therefore the colder Barbeque would rust faster.

Infact, under certain temperature and pressure conditions it could be possible for the BBQ to unrust - sounds crazy but can be done.

Jaydaman

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