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Why don't black box recorders transmit their data to ground stations so it is easily available if the plane crashes?

On the news recently I heard of yet another search for the black box flight-data recorders from a missing aircraft. Why is this data not transmitted periodically to a satellite or ground station so that in the event of the unexplained loss of an aircraft, it would be readily available?

Peter Cole, Sark, Channel Islands

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juicebox says:

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posted on 2010-02-24 19:35:57 | Report abuse


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Maccheek says:

I suspect the answers is two fold. To be useful you would need either continuous communications or at least the reliable ability to communicate from any point on the globe even after a crash. Firstly therefore, you would need a global network of ground (and more problematically sea) stations to receive the data. You could of course use satellites but either option would be expensive and require international agreement. Secondly, the existing standards were probably drawn up before the days of widespread digital comunications would have made it techincally feasible, even if you could afford it.

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posted on 2010-02-25 09:21:10 | Report abuse


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bward says:

Air disasters of the scale where black box recovery proved problematic are rare events in percentage terms. As per the previos answer beyond logistical challenges of networking this information realtime, the commercial cost of such an initiative is better invested in ensuring planes stay in the air.

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posted on 2010-02-25 14:18:54 | Report abuse


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Jon-Richfield says:

Various teams are already working on that idea, but it is not simple. To design and support reliable means for capturing all the data from all the commercial flights in the air at the same time is demanding, and commonly the need is greatest just when it is hardest to ensure communication. Flight data recording on-board as well as remotely would be ideal, but costly. It would be nice if live overseers back on the ground could periodically read the recordings in real time and ask what the pilots thought they were up to!

But the sheer volume of communication and data processing would be demanding. Even setting data standards would be challenging; each model of aircraft produces different data; flight data recorders don’t just record cockpit chatter. However glibly we speak of “black box recorders”, they differ. Some older models barely recorded more than the most recent half-hour of cockpit conversation, plus a few equipment states. Such scanty records have frustrated several accident investigations in the past, even when the data was recovered successfully. The current tendency therefore is to demand more channels of data than generally were recorded in the past. Black boxes are attractive because they seldom are needed (fortunately) so before a crash no one complains about their reliability, and some airlines skimp on their options.

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posted on 2010-03-01 17:08:08 | Report abuse


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jrleechin says:

There are at least two main objections to doing this:

The first is cost, as it involves using relatively expensive satellite bandwidth to transmit to off-plane storage.

The second is human-related: Pilots have raised objections to being kept tabs on in this manner. Bear in mind that there are two "black boxes", one to monitor flight data, the other to monitor cockpit voice conversations, often critical in indicating what went wrong on a flight.

Some have raised the possibility of a "panic button": Normally the on-board black boxes would make the only recordings, but in a seriously abnormal situation, pilots would have the option to enable live-transmission via satellite to off-plane storage. Or perhaps the enabling could be done automatically when flight data exceeded aircraft design parameters (e.g. rate or angle of descent) for more than a certain interval. To my mind the "panic button" provides a happy medium, albeit one dependent on human judgment and rationality.

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posted on 2010-03-04 04:32:15 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:
Good points. I do not however sympathise with the idea of the crew's putative objections. Anyone who is ready to make a living taking the lives of people in his or her hands, immediately to my mind loses all right to proceed in personal privacy without anyone breathing down his neck. We have had everything from mass deaths on planes or trains to buses and boats, that could in principle have been prevented by a bit of loud supervision, whether because of confusion, fatigue, or simple sloth or sopping it up. Privacy is a luxury for those whose slip-ups harm no one but themselves. The panic button certainly does sound attractive, but for it to be under crew control would be ridiculous.  By the time things get sticky it generally would be too late. Can you imagine half an hour in anticipation: "Hmmm... I wonder what that funny noise is? Better press the panic button on your way past while you fetch my coffee, Betty."  "Dammit Cap, that is the third time this trip; I am busy, you know!" I hardly think so! More likely twenty seconds before impact: "Press the bloody button!!! Aaaagh!!!" How much data and how much use would anyone get out of that?  The simplest and most reliable would be to put it on and keep it on and store the data till no one was still interested. The delicate sensitivities of whoever was tickling up his colleagues or having fun with the controls, or trying to hide his blushes while struggling to make sense of the funny message that that noisy doohickey was flashing, are things that neither management nor crew would care about once they were routine. For privacy we have bedrooms and lawyers' chambers, not cockpits. Say I, a non-pilot, but occasional passenger.   Jon
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posted on 2010-03-04 10:31:12 | Report abuse


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