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Super Strength (does gravity fluctuate???)

Recently i have wondered about how the moon and sun affect gravity here on earth. I was wondering wether the force of gravity would change during night or day due to the position of the sun and the moon and their gravitational pulls. But just as I sat down to work this out (being the cool 16 year old I am) I also remembered that the sun and moon would also pull on the earth. so the question is would the pull the on the earth be the same as that on you and therefore cancel out any effects or do you infact become magically (or marginally) lighter at night or day due to this affect?

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Last edited on: 2010-03-29 21:20:27

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petethebloke says:

Think of the tidal effect that the sun and moon exercise on the sea and you'll be part way to an answer.

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posted on 2010-03-31 10:45:15 | Report abuse


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JamieCrry says:

As far as i know gravity doesnt fluctuate it is a constant force from every object, what can change is the gravity at a point which is a sum of all the attractive forces from all other objects. And to your main question i think that there would be an increadiably small change because of difference in distance from the attracting body, though i dont think this would be noticable.

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posted on 2010-03-31 15:05:02 | Report abuse


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Pedant says:

Assuming the Earth's radius is 6370 Km, the distance to the sun is 150 million Km, the Earth's mass is 6x10^24 Kg and the Sun's mass is 2x10^30 Kg, it's easy to work out that, at the Earth's surface, the gravitational pull of the Sun is about 0.0006 g. At the equator around the equinoxes this precisely adds to the Earth's gravity at midnight and subtracts from it at noon, so the difference that the Sun makes to midnight and noon gravity is about 0.0012 g (i.e. 0.12%).

Some additional complications arise from the elliptical orbit of the Earth around the Sun, the tilt of the Earth's axis and the fact that the Earth is a sphere.

In modern times the perihelion (147 million Km) occurs around 3rd January and the aphelion (152 million Km) occurs around 4th July, so the Sun's gravitational pull is about 6.9% more in January than in July and the daily variation in gravity will itself vary by that amount.

The tilt of the Earth's rotational axis combined with the lattitude dependent distance to the axis will also produce variations in the daily change of gravity.

Similar effects also apply to the Moon except that its gravitational influence is somewhat greater (on average about 0.022 g or 2.2%) and its orbital eccentricity is greater giving rise to a variation of some +/-12% in this figure.

To summarise, a maximum day/night variation in gravity of about 2.5% occurs at the equator and almost all of this is caused by the Moon's gravitational influence.

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posted on 2010-03-31 19:15:04 | Report abuse


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Paul_Pedant says:

2.5% seems an incredible variation, but I can't fault your calculation, Chris.

If the variation in gravitational pull affects the weight of the atmosphere too, then presumably there is a corresponding 2.5% variation in barometric pressure over a lunar month, as well. That's 25 millibar, or a couple of centimeters of mercury. That should be easily observable statistically ?

In fact, a variation on that scale should have a material and detectable effect on a lot of processes, including ballistics, the speed of elevators, the friction of my tyres on the road, and the blood pressure in my brain. Maybe lunacy is not a myth after all.

 

 

 

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posted on 2010-12-31 15:12:33 | Report abuse

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Pedant says:

Oops!!!  Yes, you're right, Paul. 2.5% is an incredible figure and is also completely wrong! I'm currently correcting my calcs.

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posted on 2011-01-01 21:46:14 | Report abuse

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Paul_Pedant says:

OK. I'm getting more like 0.0007% variation in my total Earth/Moon attraction, depending whether the moon is under my feet or over my head. So any lunacy I experience is a strictly internal issue, as I have long suspected.

Your 2.5% might be variation in the moon's attraction between nearest and furthest, which is a rather different thing.

Jon once wrote that a large bowl of cereal has a higher attraction than the moon, and in fact I find that increasingly true as I get older. Do you think that would be true because (a) Gravity is increasing, (b) My mass is increasing, or (c) My breakfasts are getting larger?

 

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posted on 2011-01-02 12:08:22 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

Er, not to be too pedantic, what I said was that the tidal force was greater! (I remember it well, because I had my memories mixed up and got egg on face thinking it was a fourth-power relationship, rather than cubic. I am glad to see that someone seems to have forgotten! I had been going around in chronic intermittent blushes, feeling that eveyone was pointing me out as "that thick git over there who doesn't even remember his tidal forces...")

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posted on 2011-01-02 15:05:33 | Report abuse

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Pedant says:

My mistake was to forget that the Earth is in free fall with regard to all other bodies to which it is gravitationally attracted. This means that the average gravitational field of the Moon over all parts of the Earth is of no consequence and it is only the differences in that field between different places which are significant i.e. it's the gradient rather than the absolute value of the field which is important.

Another way of looking at it is that the near and far sides of the Earth are trying to accelerate towards the Moon at different rates than the centre of the earth. This results in forces which are trying to stretch the Earth into an ellipsoid. So, effectively, the Earth's gravity is slightly counteracted at both the near and far sides of the Earth.

It turns out that the tidal gravity variation of the Moon is about 0.11 ppm and that of the Sun is about 0.05 ppm - a lot smaller than 2.5%!

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posted on 2011-01-02 15:10:33 | Report abuse


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