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Why is it important to properly vent a tank car before emptying it?

Why would this perfectly good tank car be sacrificed to make a point about proper procedures?

In this video, you see it collapse on camera.

Will anyone venture an estimate of the forces involved?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_hci9vrvfw

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Paul_Pedant says:

Love it! I expected it to sag progressively. Obviously the cylindrical cap-end structure is strong until the internal pressure gets low enough that some minor asymmetry puts a crease in it.

I had this happen in a company automobile. Another user lost the (vented) filler cap and replaced it with an unvented one. The fuel tank got sucked almost flat by the fuel pump. The final capacity was about a gallon, and I drove it 600 miles stopping at every service point to "fill it up!".

Your basic value is air pressure at 15 psi (pounds per square inch). The tank in the video seems to have gone to about a third of its former size, so I would guess it had two-thirds of the contents removed before it collapsed, so I would work on ten psi at the moment of collapse.

The car might have an upper surface area of 17 x 3 metres - around 50 square metres, which is around 77,000 square inches, so 770.000 lbs, or about 340 tonnes. It would have carried about 90 tonnes of hydrocarbon, (in a cradle with hydrostatic pressure outwards as designed). So the suction force on it is about the same as stacking another 4 full cars on top of it. It should be marked "Do not stack more than 3 high" like you see on electrical goods packaging.

You might better ask "What kind of idiot engineer designs a car like this without automatic safety venting, or interlocks on the pipework and valves?".

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posted on 2010-04-08 15:06:02 | Report abuse

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tbrucenyc says:

I see they had a crowd there to watch, so I imagine they emptied the tank and flushed it for the demonstration.

They must have used a pump or other source of vacuum to get this result.

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posted on 2010-04-08 15:47:50 | Report abuse

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Paul_Pedant says:

You would like to think for a safety demo they would have removed all fluid from the tank, set up mesh protection screens, stood everybody 400 metres back, etc. But you never know.

The hose outlet at the bottom looks like standard fuel transfer hose. I believe they would not have needed vacuum, though. A water barometer is about 30 feet high (a hydrocarbon barometer about 34 due to being less dense, but I assume they are not dumb enough to use flammable liquid).

The tank is less than 30 feet high. So if it starts out absolutely full, just draining fluid out under gravity would empty it completely, leaving a Torricellian vacuum of water vapour at 3% of atmospheric (assuming 20 deg C) so 97% vacuum.

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posted on 2010-04-11 19:35:01 | Report abuse


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happy says:

DON'T KNOW

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posted on 2010-04-08 17:24:29 | Report abuse


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Georg says:

This is an experiment obviously. The speed of the implosion

shows that there was no liquid in the tank.

If You drain a liquid from such a tank, and the tank was

absolutely full, then full vacuum will build up with the very first gallon

sucked out, and the implosion wouls start immediately.

(but proceed slowly, with the speed of the liquid drained out)

There is a voice  over a loudspeaker just after the crash:

"Siebenhundertundsechzig! Gewonnen hat Dr. Ing... "

(seven hundred and sixty! The winner is Dr. Ing...."

I think that 760 is the vakuum (millibars) and that

there were bets on the pressure of implosion.

Georg

 BTW,

tank cars on street are typically built to withstand a

pressure of about .3 bars (from inside!).

Even the slightest vacuum (some 20 to 30 mBars)

will produce an implosion.

The tank car in the video obviously is much

stronger, I am not aware of regulations for tank cars

on railroad.

In general: a tank has to be built for a pressure

of 3 bars, then it will withstand  full vacuum.

(rule of thumb)

 

 

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