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How far do the electrons move in a wire connecting an electrical appliance?

We are taught that with alternating current electricity supplies the current (i.e. electrons) move foreward and then backwards with each cycle.  If the wire to my computer delivers 100 volts and 1 amp at 60Hz, how far are the electrons moving back and forth in the wire 60 times per second - namometers, centimeters?

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tbrucenyc says:

The electrons have half of the 60 cycle waveform to go in one direction, and half to go in the other. 1/120 of a second at about 186,000 miles per second.

If you lived about 1550 miles away from the power station, the electrons would have just enough time to make the trip before they started back.

Electricity travels at the speed of light.

The voltage and current don't change the speed.

Since in reality the transformer out on the pole, say... one tenth of a mile away, forms a closed loop with your house wiring, the electrons would make over 7,500 round trips, in the two tenths of a mile loop, before they started running the other way.

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posted on 2010-04-19 15:56:14 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

Sorry, there I must disagree. In 50-cycle current the electrons move only cm or even mm. What travels at light speeds (and in fact the speed of light in the metal, which is only a fraction of the speed in vacum) is not the particles, but the electron waves. In other words the conduction of electricity is a wave effect, a consequence of quantum dynamics.

That wave motion is how electric current travels even in DC devices. However, though DC electrons don't travel all that fast either, they do travel further, and of course, the higher the voltage the faster conduction electrons do travel. It is again just the waves that travel at the more or less constant speed of light in the metal with its high refractive index (implying low light speed).

However, there is a non-quantum analogy that you might find helps you visualise the process. Suppose you have a long tray crowded with snooker balls in contact; you want to send a signal along the tray. You give a nearby ball at your end a smart rap. It travels hardly at all, and not particularly fast, but in a fraction of a second a ball flies off the other end of the tray.

Does that help?

Cheers,

 

Jon

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posted on 2010-04-20 17:23:10 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

Sorry again; finger trouble! Any one who can delete this copy, please do!

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posted on 2010-04-20 17:23:12 | Report abuse

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Paul_Pedant says:

Definitely need to distinguish between the thermal velocity of the electrons (also known as the Fermi velocity) which is pretty fast but randomly directed, and the Drift Velocity, which is the bulk movement rate caused by the applied electrical field, and actually carries the power in the circuit.

Couple of good references are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_velocity

http://resources.schoolscience.co.uk/cda/16plus/copelech2pg3.html

Basically, the drift velocity is tiny because of the relation between the number of electrons in a conductor (roughly one per atom) and the number of electron charges in a Coulomb.

The bottom line in the Wikipedia article says (apparently correctly):

"As a numerical example, for a copper wire of 1 square mm area, carrying a current of 3 amperes, the drift velocity of electrons would be about 0.00028 metres per second (or just about an hour to travel one metre)."

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posted on 2010-04-23 23:01:53 | Report abuse


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posted on 2010-04-21 15:39:15 | Report abuse


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richardaw says:

Our usual mental image of how electricity flows is just plain wrong. I too used to think that electrons travel at about the speed of light but since becoming a physics lab technician I was told by thr teaching staff that electrons move extremely slowly at about 6mm a second. It is the electric field that surrounds them that travels at near light speed.

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posted on 2013-02-15 16:07:54 | Report abuse


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