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I have heard that submarines travel faster in colder water. Why?

Brendan Reilly, Dublin, Ireland

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tbrucenyc says:

The viscosity of water increases at lower temperature, and the submarine would have more trouble moving through it.

Viscosity almost doubles going from 70 F to 32 F.

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posted on 2010-05-05 23:25:40 | Report abuse


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Jon-Richfield says:

There are confusing factors. Water density and viscosity at low temperatures would not significantly favour higher speeds, and might even limit the operational speed, but the low vapour pressure of cold water outweighs that. One consequence of high-speed underwater motion is cavitation, the formation of bubbles of vapour and dissolved gases. Cavitation occurs wherever there is drastic pressure reduction in water, and it is very difficult to move water fast without creating zones of reduced pressure. In cold water the solubility of gases is higher and the vapour pressure lower, so one can achieve a higher speed before cavitation begins and a still higher speed before it becomes a major limitation to the speed of craft of any given design. Such zones obviously occur behind the screws, but cavitation in the slipstream and the vortices of the wake can trouble submarines even more. Also, increased viscosity discourages vortex formation.

In military practice cavitation is a critical limitation on underwater speed, less because of propulsion inefficiency than because cavitation bubbles are conspicuous sonar targets. Submarines on the prowl must keep well below top speed to avoid giveaway cavitation that might betray their position, and the reduced tendency to cavitation noise or echoing bubbles would favour higher tactical speeds in colder water.

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posted on 2010-05-06 09:58:46 | Report abuse


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RW says:

Perhaps it's to save on heating bills by not spending any more time than necessary in the cold conditions.

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posted on 2010-05-09 18:45:41 | Report abuse


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Alacritous says:

One Word. Shrinkage.

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posted on 2010-05-19 22:13:57 | Report abuse


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aturnb says:

At the depths that submarines operate at the water temperature is effectively the same anywhere in the world as the sun cannot penetrate to this depth to warm it.

A submarine is therefore unlikely to experience a large enough variation in temperatures to make any difference to it's speed.

I think you misheard.

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posted on 2010-05-21 20:15:15 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

I think you should reconsider. For a start, no matter what depths you deal with, conditions are largely far more dynamic than you might expect from reasonable generalisations. Apart from the dynamics of interaction of currents and wind with land masses, there are major convection currents caused by winter cooling of water in many places. Secondly, not only temperature differences cause convection. For example, in polar regions the seasonal freezing of sea ice increases the salinity of the remaining water so drastically as to cause huge amounts of cold surface water to sink to the depths, carrying a great deal of CO2 with it. Silt carried by rivers also can drag surface water down.

Among the major causes of disturbance are the coriolis forces on water flowing to and from the poles, and they can affect very deep currents indeed. They also affect temperatures strongly. For example, water off the west coast of mayor land masses commonly is shockingly colder than on the East coast. Come and visit Cape Town, and compare a swom off the breakwater with say, the sea round Port Elizabeth. The Australians might similarly compare the swimming round say, Gracetown and Kiama.

On a far shallower and more local basis, submarine military operations are seldom at great depth, commonly (though of course, not necessarily) at 100 metres or less. At far greater depths than this, all sorts of effects are important and intimately affected by interactions with the surface. Temperature, bubbles, salinity, turbidity, marine life, all affect the lives and survival of subamariners and their enemies vitally.

Life and death can be complex, even well below the waves.

 

Cheers,

 

Jon

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