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MikeAdams#367 says:

There are already at least three methods already in use: batteries, flywheels and thermal (see http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-to-use-solar-energy-at-night).

Unless some form of magnetic storage offered a clear advantage over these three, I can’t see any reason to pursue it.

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posted on 2010-08-13 12:28:55 | Report abuse

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AgedP says:

Thanks Mike,

I was not aware of how far Thermal had progressed.

Piezo Generation seems to be gaining momentum over the rotating and oscillating stuff.  Magnetic Storage just seemed the ultimate clean solution.

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posted on 2010-08-15 15:25:02 | Report abuse


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Jon-Richfield says:

Apart from what Mike mentioned, there are some really nifty capacitors nowadays, and in fact superconducting solenoids can store energy electromagnetically. Also, among mechanical methods there are some very large-scale possibilities by displacing seawater or compressing gas.

The idea that intermittent energy sources such as solar,  wind and wave won't work, is a favourite canard of the ignorant and obstructive. We could easily store enough  enargy to run every major city on Earth if only there were the political and short-term financial will, and do it without significant pollution or environmental footprint.

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posted on 2010-08-13 15:08:49 | Report abuse


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Paul_Pedant says:

The entire problem revolves around energy density in the storage medium. National Grid UK has a few energy storage facilities which basically consist of pumping a lake from the bottom of a mountain to the top with any spare power (not too useful in Norfolk, but good in Scotland and Wales where wind and tidal need storage). Using natural materials (like pumping 10 million tons of fresh water uphill by 300 metres from Loch Awe to Loch Cruachan) dwarfs any technology solution like flywheels and phase-change materials.

Most conventional power stations need a fairly long time to respond to demand (gas turbine 10 mins, oil-fired 2 hours, coal-fired 4 hours, nuclear 24 hours) because of the thermal lag and thermal stress issues. The great advantage of stored energy systems is a much faster response to unanticipated demand or sudden supply failures. Pumped water response time to demand is around 10 seconds.

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posted on 2010-08-17 10:45:33 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

And  Paul, don't you folks have at least one pumped compressed-air power-storage installation for just that reason? I should imagine that it would start up even faster.

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posted on 2010-08-19 13:55:57 | Report abuse

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Paul_Pedant says:

There is a big underground compressed-gas store somewhere, but it stores a few day's natural gas imports. There was a big political fuss here two winters back, because some MP was told "the UK only has 3 days supply of gas left" and raised a fuss in Parliament. Er, yes, that's how the system works. Today's gas use is 447 million cubic metres (according to the public Web site), so storing a few days worth is a big deal.

I'm unaware of any plant storing electrical energy as compression energy. I think Georg is right about the thermal cycle. I'd like to try flywheel storage and geothermal, but I am sure wiser heads than mine are working on it.

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posted on 2010-12-21 22:44:12 | Report abuse


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