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Why does one green traffic light flicker when looked at indirectly?

There are several sets of pedestrian lights in Porthmadog . One green light flickers with a steady and definite pulse but only when I look a few feet to one side , when I look at it directly it is perfectly normal. It can only be because of where the image hits the retina , but why?

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Jon-Richfield says:

DD, I have long thought that it is long overdue for traffic lights to be replaced by RGB LED panels similar to the advertising hoardings that surround cricket pitches and the like. Then we could have robust, compact, large-area, long-lived, low-energy animated displays instead of our nearly-century-old (only 10 years to go!) limited and cumbersome traffic lights.

From what you say, it seems that someone is thinking along similar lines, though less ambitiously. That flickering light almost certainly is a discharge or fluorescent lamp, or possibly a high-energy LED or the like, more efficient than an incandescent lamp,  but flickering at perhaps 50 Hz. Soon the lot will be flickering at you to chers you up as you drive.

No doubt the panel format will follow any day now.

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posted on 2010-09-20 13:04:11 | Report abuse

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deedoocethis says:

Thanks for the answer Jon , but this particular light is perflexing because it's an LED (I guess , made up of an array of small lights anyway) like all the others , yet has this flourescent-type flicker but only when viewed slightly indirectly)

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posted on 2010-09-21 15:25:17 | Report abuse


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Jon-Richfield says:

Thanks DD. So much for one guess. If you are right about all the lights being of the same type, then the difference is that only one is set to that frequency of flicker. The rest are set either to a higher frequency or to steady light. Assuming that this is deliberate, the likeliest explanation is that for technical reasons they want the light in that position to be either less bright than the others, or at least no more bright, given that that light is of a higher power.

Or perhaps the lights just happen to differ in their brightness and the flickering one needed to have its intensity toned down a bit by giving it a smaller duty cycle.

What certainly is a safe guess, is that the flicker effect is not deliberate, but an intensity control. The reason for the corner-of-the-eye effect we discussed a little while ago in connection with computer screens.

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posted on 2010-09-21 19:18:36 | Report abuse


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StewartH status says:

First of all, it is quite probable that the LED traffic lights do flicker and here is why. Most of the LED lamps have been retrofitted to systems designed for incandescent bulbs. These bulbs used dimmers to reduce light output at night. The dimmers are of the phase cut variety where the actual power control uses a TRIAC. A TRIAC is switched on using a pulse and is held on by the current flowing through it. The current supplied is AC and so when the current falls to zero during the cycle the TRIAC switches off. Brightness is controled by the timing of the pulse relative to the AC waveform. LED lamps do not not play well with phase cut dimmers because, using less current than incandescent bulbs, there is often not suficient current to hold the TRIAC on, this is especially true at night. The result is flickering which may occur at any frequency and may not be related to the AC supply frequency. It is possible to get LED lamp units that have circuitry designed to play with phase cut dimmers, it is also possible to use load resistors in parallel with the lamps to increase the current.

The photo detectors (rods and cones) in the human eye are concentrated near the center of the eye with a very much reduced concentration towards the outside of the retina. The response time of the detectors and the time over which they integrate light levels is different in the center and in the outer edges of the retina. Also, the way in which connections are made to individual nerve fibres is different. The end result is that the center of the retina is designed to give good colour discrimination and high deffinition. The outer edges of the retina are designed to detect changes without a lot of colour detail or high definition, this is useful for detecting threats, who cares if it is an orange tiger or a yellow lion, you still need to run.

I think that what is happening is that the flickering is removed when viewed in an area of the retina with high concentrations of rods and cones but not when viewed in an area of the retina that is designed to provide early warnings. There is also some processing going on in the brain too.

 

 

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posted on 2010-09-23 18:41:28 | Report abuse


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