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How can plastic boxes glue together after time?

In my parent's house, we used to store some plastic salad boxes in a wooden cupboard in the cellar. Before storage theses boxes have been emptied, washed and stacked into one another. After some time, at least half a year of longer, we found some of these boxes glued together, where their walls touched each other. To me it looks like there was a chemical reaction going on. Can somebody please explain to me what exactly is going on there?

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  • Asked by Friedag
  • on 2010-10-13 14:51:35
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Jon-Richfield says:

There is too little information for a definitive answer; for example, I don't know what kind of plastic it was. However, I suspect it was not a chemical reaction, but plasticisers in the plastic that dissolved the plastic enough for it to soften and merge.

A plasticiser is a chemical, a sort of mild, non-volatile solvent, that gets between the chain-like molecules of a hard kind of plastic and stops them from sticking rigidly together.  Different kinds of hard plastic largely need different kinds of plasticisers. If the molecules of plastic cannot jam hard against each other, the plastic remains soft, more plastic; it will not easily crack, for one thing.

There are a lot of technical problems with this principle, but one of them is that your soft, plasticised plastic can stick either to other pieces of the same material, or sometimes other materials. For example, PVC is a plastic that has been used in many, many applications with lots of plasticiser. You will have seen clear PVC envelopes that we use for saving printed pages. They are popular because they work very well. However, if you use them to keep sheets of paper that have been printed by laser copiers or printers, and you leave them in storage for some weeks or longer, you find that the ink sticks to the envelopes so hard that they pull it off the paper. The problem is that the ink is a plastic that dissolves in the plasticiser. It is as though you had placed a soft jelly in contact with sugar. The jelly might not look wet, but the sugar does absorb its water and then it sticks.

So, as I said, I suspect that your dishes were plasticised, and that they fused slowly on contact.

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posted on 2010-10-13 16:36:29 | Report abuse

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Georg says:

Different kinds of hard plastic largely need different kinds of plasticisers.

Hello Jon,

there is only one plastic, which is treated by mixing with plastisizers:

PVC

There are two groups of plastisizers, depending on use

of the PVC. (low molecular weight ans ologopolyester type)

Cellulose acetate used to be mixed with the same kinds of plastisizers,

(e g. overhead tranparencies) but this is not produced any longer.

(CAs uses were taken over by PET)

Regards

Georg

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posted on 2010-10-13 17:58:34 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

Georg,

I am taken aback by what you say. Could you please elaborate? Firstly, why do you say that PVC and CA are the only plasticised plastics? Just for one example, what about polystyrene? And what about cellulosics other than acetates?

Secondly, could you please give me a source for your information about the discontinuation of cellulosics, or do you mean that only CA has been abandoned?

Thirdly, even if CA had been discontinued everywhere, that does not mean that everything that ever had been used for a CA plasticiser had suddenly stopped being a plasticiser, does it? Any more than an incandescent bulb had stopped being a means of converting electric energy into light, just because we now use alternatives?

I should be far less puzzled if you had made statements of a positive nature; "X exists", for example. If you say something like that, we know that you have seen X or worked with it perhaps. But "X does NOT exist" is altogether more of a problem; what sort of evidence puts you in a position to say that?

Thanks,

 

Jon

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posted on 2010-10-13 21:58:10 | Report abuse


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