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Do some perfumes resemble body odour?

This summer it was very hot in Europe and when I was on holiday, I even had to wash several times a day. I heard many times that it is bad for the skin to use deodorant on parts of the body exposed to the sun, but also bad to use washing agents like soap more than once a day. So at first I tried to wash with water only, not using soap. After the general, salty smell of perspiration had gone, there remained an odour that strongly reminded me of a "Dané" deodorant. Later I found that the shower gel "Dove silk glow" also smells somewhat similar.

I had none of these with me on my trip! Do they contain a component that is also a component of human body odour? If so, what for? If I use them won't people think I have washed with water only and am still dirty?

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petethebloke says:

Cedar wood always smells of apocrine sweat to me. Perhaps the oil is used in fragrances? I find the smell pleasant and quite different from the smell of body odour - which occurs when bacteria start to metabolise in the sweat.

As for washing with or without soap, I certainly wouldn't stop using soap on my hands if I want to remain hygienic. However, for years my hair has been washed every day with nothing but warm water and it is clean and odourless. I guess that a similar régime would work on the rest of one's body, but you might end a warm day smelling a little ripe!

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posted on 2010-11-11 10:49:55 | Report abuse


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Jon-Richfield says:

 Phew! Big question!

Our bodily smells and the pot pourrie of overtones produced by our pwn personal skin bacteria have many functions and are counterfunctional in a few ways. They distinguish us from unrelated people, they characterise us as having given social status, gender, sexual status, all sorts of things, many of which most of us are not even aware of, not consciously anyway, though some of us do react without realising that we do so.

And concentration makes a big difference. Too little of an important component and you are lacking in social or sexual pheromones; too much and you pong. Leave it in place too long, and your bouquet becomes an odour.

This is why babies have a characteristic child smell, which diverges as the environment takes over and labels  them with the microbes and foods of their community. 

This baby thing also applies to other animals; when a youngster lacks personal smells, behaviour and appearance associated with adults, it does not present a challenge to adults and is partly protected from dangerous conflict.

Anyway, various components, particularly those that are associated with sexual phases and functions, have been regarded with some excitement by the parfumiers, though their effect has been debatable and variable at best. But it is quite possible that you have smelt components that have been incorporated or copied in commercial perfumes. (Don't ask me about brands; I like (clean) girls and flowers etc, the bottled stuff has meant little in my life as far as I could tell.)

The perception of dirtiness depends not so much smelling of the signal compounds as such, as on quantities and combinations of compounds. Also it is affected by one's further perceptions; does the person's appearance and behaviour suggest dirt?

As for getting rid of pong, the best I can recommend is a daily wash with a comfortable and effective detergent of your choice, whether soap or synthetic. Use plenty of warm water, massaging friction and suds in the strategic zones, particularly the apocrine organs in armpits etc.  Rinse well to remove as much as possible of the lipoidal material that carries ("fixes") the pong. Don't scrub with anything that shaves sensitive skin; you are after emulsification, not scalping that only causes irritation and inflammation. 

The next phase is to discipline your resident bacteria and discourage your resident from seeking their way into the great outdoors (or worse; the great indoors!) The best so-called deodorants work on that principle, not on drowning out pong with scent. (actually, there really are some genuine deodorant substances, but they don't seem to be of much practial effect on the body in my experience).

A surprisingly effective  and economical deodorant is simply a lump of alum or aluminium sulphate. Some brands are available on the market locally under international brand names, so I suspect that you could obtain them easily. They are sold as solid, rounded "crystal" lumps in holders. While your underarm area is moist enough for the lump to slide smoothly over the skin, but not really wet, rub the smooth lump over the skin, but only over the apocrine organ, the porous-looking underarm skin. (The stuff irritates the surrounding skin.)  The Al salt suppresses the microbes for a few hours and discourages the contents of the skin pores from escaping, but it is not proof against real perspiration, which floods it.

An alternative is to use strong alcohol (rubbing alcohol works well, so does ethanol of over 70% concentration. 70% is supposed to be the best for ethanol, but it gets diluted on the skin.) apply it to the underarm and wherever it feels best. For heaven's sake do not work with it anywhere near sparks or flames!!! Keep water and wet cloths available in case of accidents. Alcohol removes some of the smelly stuffs and kills the smely germs and it is not terribly irritant to most skins. It is however, a short-term solution, but then, you can apply it a few times a day if that suits you.

As for all the advice about never using soap like this or or oil like that, it is best to ignore it and find out for yourself what suits your skin. Skins differ, and they change as you grow older.

When you have applied such measures, you may put any skin lotions or other emulsions onto your skin for softening or scent as you prefer.

The other most effective and economical deodorants imo are the sticks of soapy stuff. "Dry deodorant" sticks.  Apply them much as you would the alum sticks, but the moisture on the skin is not so critical. 

One used to be able to get a stuff called pHisohex, that contained hexachlorophene. It was the best deodorant I knew by far, but it was discovered to be poisonous, so now you can't get it.

The aerosol sprays are best at giving you something offensive to get in your eyes and nose, and to get irritant liquid over non-apocrine skin. 

After any of the recommended applications you should be OK for a day or so unless the circumstances are too challenging. It is no good applying anything in emergencies unless you first can do an emergency cleansing wipe. You might find that those disposable wet fabric "towels" for wiping your face on aircraft etc will do in a pinch, but even a bit of hand soap and wet tissue paper will work. Then your deodorant will work again when you apply it. I haven't yet tried neat vodka as a last ditch measure, but it should work. 

One way or another.

But what matters is to remember the principles:

Get rid of external unwanted matter, plus as much as you can of whatever is in the pores.

Kill as many germs as you can.

Discourage the stuff in the pores from coming out.

Anything else is of secondary importance.

Was that what you wanted to know?      

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posted on 2010-11-11 12:34:40 | Report abuse

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translatrix says:

Was that what I wanted to know? Good question! (in return)

What I wanted to know was in there: it is well possible that cosmetics contain scents resembling some human body smells on purpose. (by the way I found that one not really bad)

You personally are not keen of the idea but would probably rather dislike the unnaturalness of the scent then the idea that my last recent wash had been water-only, but you can't tell for others.

There is a lot more of interesting information I didn't ask for and most of it is familiar to me anyway, I didn't ask what to do either - well, the summer is over and for now I am happy with one soapy shower a day, all the more that I needn't worry about any deodorant-covered parts being exposed to the sun - even if I put it on my face and hands, which I don't, there would be practically no sun there.

This is not to criticize your answer, I am aware that other people are reading it as well and there is no problem with slightly off-topic additional thoughts. Only as you asked id you had answered my question...

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posted on 2010-11-11 19:21:52 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

Thanks Tx. Sorry about the logorrhoea  :-(

I hope I didn't leave you with the impression that I go round sniffing at people and criticising those whose pong fails my exacting standards!  I too am human and I live in a warm country!  ;-)

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posted on 2010-11-13 12:02:17 | Report abuse


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tbrucenyc says:

Some perfumes do resemble body odor. I always thought "Eternity" does, after it is worn for a few hours. And, Nina Ricci L'Air du Temps, always smelled like foot odor to me... french womens feet I presume... Oo la la... not my thing...

Some people smell like wood. I like that...

So sandalwood perfume would be close.

Occasionally, I have asked a girlfriend to just shower and not use perfume...

Your pheromones don't smell too good to you, but that's because your a women, and your pheromones are attractive to men. Bear that in mind since, the store will happily sell you a perfume that's attractive to you, because it smells like male pheromones, and that's not what you set out to buy.

Washing as much as you tend to, I wonder if you know what it is to be dirty.

Americans, and I guess some Brits,  shower every day, even in winter, even if they never break a sweat! That's not normal in most of europe... am I wrong?

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posted on 2010-11-14 01:10:16 | Report abuse

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translatrix says:

Germans wash every day but not necessarily shower. If they shower then usually not as long as Americans, because you must save energy and water.

Russians in cities do the same, though they have short showers rather to save time.  It is absolutely necessary to wash every day in Russian cities and, if it is in the morning, to wash at leas your face in the evening too. Otherwise the pillowcase gets dirty very fast. And there are still many people who have no washing machine and wash by their hands.

In the country people may live quite differently. A visited an elderly couple who live in an old-style wooden Russian house. They have electricity but no running water. They have a banya (kind of sauna) next to the main house and they heat it about once a week with firewood and wash very thoroughly. I didn't feel dirty when I lived with them even in Summer.

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posted on 2010-11-17 07:29:40 | Report abuse


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