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What is the speed of dark

Ok, we all know the speed of light (well actually I don't but I know I can google it) but the big question in my mind is the one no one seems to be asking. We are all focused on understanding the creation of the universe when in fact we ought to be asking ourselves what exactly our universe is existing in.

My current theory is that the universe is expanding into time and, using that logice, I must exists many times over, just with billions of years between each existence. Am I right about this???

 

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  • on 2010-11-14 07:03:13
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Jon-Richfield says:

You say: "We are all focused on understanding the creation of the universe when in fact we ought to be asking ourselves what exactly our universe is existing in."

Not really. Apart from the fact that a (tediously large) lot of cosmological theories deal with that question, there is the point that until we can formulate a question in meaningful form, there is little point to such a question. It is said that Gertude Stein's  last words were: "What is the answer?" Her friend was silent, so she chuckled and asked: "Well then, what is the question?"

Always ask yourself "What is the question?" You must have a good idea of what it is you are talking about and what sort of answer would make a diference, if not actually satisfy you. If you cannot manage that, there is not much point to the question, is there? Is it even really a question at all, or just a noise? There also is the matter of futility. Suppose that we know the question exactly, know its implications exactly, do not know the answer, do know precisely what sort of answer would convince and satisfy us, and yet also know that we never will be able to answer that question, and are pretty sure that no one else ever will know the answer either. Is that question of any point ot value?

Consider; you are no doubt aware (or you can google it if you like) that Aki Fujinami was the greatest human philosopher and poet in the last ten centuries, arguably ever. Aki had accumulated all her writings in a book she had made of rice paper, because in her country and age there was little support for, or even tolerance of, female writers. Now, at long last she had accumulated enough money to pay for publication and determined to visit Kyoto to seek a publisher. She could only afford a passage on a fishing vessel from the south of Kyushu, and on the way they were sunk in a sudden storm, all hands being lost, and the unprotected rice paper manuscript totally dissolved within a few hours. The loss to civilation was indescribable; imagine losing Goethe, Shakespeare, Homer, and Swift at a stroke!

What we need to know: What did she write? No one knew that she wrote at all, let alone what she wrote, or what she wrote about. She had never discussed the matter or written any of it anywhere. We will never know.  Does it matter? Would it have mattered if we had known about her but been unable to save her and her works?

Why can't we know? Because we cannot access that information. Now, if the universe is such that we can never access any information about what is outside it, assuming it has an outside, then...?

You say: "My current theory is that the universe is expanding into time and, using that logice..." But that isn't logic. Does it even mean anything, never mind follow? What does it mean for a "universe" to "expand into time"?

And when you say: "I must exists many times over, just with billions of years between each existence. Am I right about this???"

As Pauli said: "This isn't right; this isn't even wrong." Why should expansion into time, if it means anything at all, imply repeated existence?

My recommendation: Start over. At each point where you wish to use any word such as "because", or where you have failed to make any connection beginning with "because", stop and make sure that you can defend that "because". If you cannot do that, it isn't worth even mentioning your ideas.

Feel welcome to argue, feel welcome to think. Both are fun. Both are like painting. But think of a child squishing paints onto paper, and a master artist producing divine works. Then ask yourself what happened between those two actions. Also ask yourself whether the final product is attainable and worth attaining.

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posted on 2010-11-14 08:22:25 | Report abuse

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martinc says:

Hi and thanks, I appreciate your answer and recognise my mistakes.

My question then is "into what is the universe expanding"

 

 

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posted on 2010-11-15 17:19:40 | Report abuse

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sid910 says:

I read that which i think is true that the force created by the bigband will not exist forever but beacause of the cause of force of gravity the universe will again shrink to a dot.

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posted on 2010-11-28 08:57:20 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

I reckon that that question is an improvement, but it still leaves open two points:

If it really is expanding "into  something" then the fact that that something  is not "in our universe" might make it impossible for us to know, because from our point of view our universe is all we have. If we could see it or measure it, it would after all be part of our universe.

Fortunately we need not worry our curly little heads about that just yet, because no one has yet observed anything that amounts to clear evidence for anything of the kind.

Secondly, if there really is nothing out there, wherever "out" might be, then there is nothing stopping our universe from expanding into it.

In general, we have little basis even for asking that question in any meaningful form, let alone answering it in any enlightening form. I could propose answers along lines friendly to the original form of the question, such as perhaps somethig like "into used-up space, such as that left over from our past that we no longer need, so that our future history is indeed a repition of our past", but if you would swallow anything so jejune, you would do better to avoid such subjects. Sometimes reserving our right to wonder about our own ignorance is more rewarding than to insist on answers from people with less insight, but longer words. Make sure that whatever you take seriously in such matters makes real sense, rather than just sounding good. If it doesn't, do without. A bit of intellectual courage beats uncritical acceptance any day.

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posted on 2010-11-28 13:21:09 | Report abuse


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