Advanced search

Answers


How deep a layer of plastic bottles would I need to get an insulation R value of 5?

The insulation in my roof is made from plastic bottles with an R value of 5.  Leaving aside the inconvenience, what depth of (empty) plastic bottles would I need to produce the same level of insulation?  Would the bottles need to be the same size and arranged, or could they just be thrown in randomly?

sssss
 (no votes)

submit an answer
  • Member status
  • none

Categories: Environment.

Tags: recycling, Energyconservation.

 

Report abuse


9 answer(s)


Reply

petethebloke says:

Can you elucidate a little? You said that your insulation already is made from plastic bottles? Are these whole bottles, empty, with the lids on?

sssss
 (no votes)

Tags: recycling, Energyconservation.

top

posted on 2010-11-19 09:27:51 | Report abuse

Reply

claretrinder says:

All I have is the info on the side of the packaging that came from B&Q. It's fleecey insulation, 200 mm thick and white, with a slight greenish tinge so I don't imagine it included the lids.  It says it's made from 80 plastic bottles, has a thermal conductivity of 0.04W/mk and thermal resistance of 5.00 M2K/W.  It's exactly like putting down glassfibre but without the nasty itchiness.

sssss
 (no votes)

Tags: recycling, Energyconservation.

top

posted on 2010-11-19 13:55:21 | Report abuse


Reply

Paul_Pedant says:

Insulation basically works with the fact that air is a pretty good (and free) insulator with respect to conduction. It's rubbish with respect to convection and radiation. So most domestic insulators are opaque (and maybe have aluminium foil on the warm side for reflection too), and are basically there to stop the air convecting.

Having your air inside, say, hollow hairs (like a polar bear)  is good. Having it inside inches of spun glass or spun plastic is good. It's the degree of fineness in the binding structure that provides the maximum resistance to air circulation by convection.

If you just use the bottles, you are working to a completely different scale. The air can circulate around the outsides of the bottles. To minimise this, you would have to achieve a tight packing, essentially by laying them like courses of bricks, with ends staggered and the sides in physical contact.

The insides, with a diameter of 50 to 100 mm, are probably about the optimal size to set up very efficient internal convection cells. There is a possibility that this insulation would actually be a negative insulator - actually transferring more heat than would occur in free air.

sssss
 (no votes)

Tags: recycling, Energyconservation.

top

posted on 2010-11-20 10:15:22 | Report abuse


Reply

StewartH status says:

Don't fill your loft with plastic bottles. The PET that they are made of is not stable and will give off acetaldehyde which is carcinogenic. Also, they burn really well especially since they will contain their own air supply.

The recycled stuff that you have in your loft has been specialy treated and sprayed with a fire retardant.

 

sssss
 (no votes)

Tags: recycling, Energyconservation.

top

posted on 2010-11-21 00:38:33 | Report abuse

Reply

claretrinder says:

Thanks for that, yes, I had a feeling that they would give off something nasty when if they burned but then wondered why that wouldn't happen anyway with the insulation, so you've resolved that one.

sssss
 (no votes)

Tags: recycling, Energyconservation.

top

posted on 2010-11-23 15:31:29 | Report abuse


Reply

Paul_Pedant says:

Yeah, you can't fill your loft with plastic bottles. Where would you keep your collections of obsolete PCs, New Scientists and toenail clippings?

sssss
 (no votes)

Tags: recycling, Energyconservation.

top

posted on 2010-11-21 10:28:40 | Report abuse

Reply

claretrinder says:

Thanks Paul.  You're right, my loft space is far more use for various collections (no comment on the toe nail clippings) but I was just intrigued by the idea of using plastic bottles as insulation and cutting out the energy required to convert the bottles to fleece

sssss
 (no votes)

Tags: recycling, Energyconservation.

top

posted on 2010-11-23 15:33:19 | Report abuse

Reply

claretrinder says:

a

sssss
 (no votes)

Tags: recycling, Energyconservation.

top

posted on 2010-11-23 15:33:52 | Report abuse


The last word is ...

the place where you ask questions about everyday science

Answer questions, vote for best answers, send your videos and audio questions, save favourite questions and answers, share with friends...

register now


ADVERTISMENT