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How do you define temperature?

I've been told that temperature can be explained by how fast molecules are moving around, the higher the temperature the faster they move and the more kinetic energy they have.  This is however confusing as different molecules will move around at different paces and will exist as different states at the same temperature i.e. at room temperature oxygen will be a gas whereas molecules in a chair will be solid.

 Therefore how do you define temperature?

 

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MikeAdams#367 says:

While it is convenient to describe temperature as the average speed of molecules, it is really measuring the energy content. In solids this may affect the vibration rate of the molecules rather than movement from place to place and may also include internal movement of atoms within a molecule. As these become excessive, they may cause the molecule to change, leading to chemical reactions that that allow the energy to dissipate to some extent.

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posted on 2010-12-02 21:53:53 | Report abuse


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StewartH status says:

Well, that all depnds on which hat I am wearing. As a radio engineer I know that the noise power generated in a matched load on the input to an amplifier is KTB (K is Boltzman's constant, T is the temperature in Kelvin and B is the bandwidth in Hz). So I can determine the temperature of the load from measuring the noise power.

If I put another hat on, I can point an infra-red detector at a person and convert the level of IR radiation detected to their skin temperature.

If I am a quantum physicist then I am going to link entropy to temperature. Entropy is a measure of the disorder in a system, an increase in entropy represents and increase in disorder. In a liquid there is a degree of disorder in that molecules move around. As the liquid freezes and forms a solid the molecules are locked into an ordered pattern. If the liquid becomes a gas then the molecules move around more and the system becomes more disordered. So we can define temperature in terms of entropy. In The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe everyone sat around "watching entropy run down"'

 

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posted on 2010-12-03 05:16:57 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

I never read "Restaurant". Must someday. "Watching entropy run down? Surely Adams meant watching it run up,  didn't he? Entropy is not mocked, after all, nor diminished!

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posted on 2010-12-03 11:30:29 | Report abuse

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Georg says:

Hello StewartH,

the third definition You describe (entropy related) is correct,

but the hat is wrong. This does nor emerge from  quantum

physics, in fact this is older than quantum theory and quantum

physics obeys thermodynamic laws!.

@Marcct...

Temperature is not defined by You or me or "somebody".

Temperature like length, time and mass or electric current

units is a matter of law, today most countrys follow the

SI recommendations.

This definition is that the triple point of water is 273.16

Degrees Kelvin, (The number is to make the old Celsius

fitting to the new scale) plus the measurement of the

intermediate values is done by a "ideal gas thermometer".

Such measurements are very demanding, the national

calibration labs in some "civilized" countrys can do that.

For practical purpose those labs measure some secondary

fixed points, eg melting point of gold or boiling point of sulfur

and so on. With the aid of that secondary points such labs

do the calibration of some thermometer You can buy.

Georg

 

 

 

 

 

 

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posted on 2010-12-03 12:07:21 | Report abuse


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qestor says:

The definition of temperature relates to the zeroth law of thermodynamics; so called because the other laws had been numbered before scientists realised they had been using this more fundamental law implicitly all along. Simply stated the law says that if two bodies are in thermal equilibrium with a third body then they are in thermal equilibrium with each other. Thermal equilbrium means that there is no net flow of heat and therefore the bodies are at the same tempertature.

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posted on 2010-12-04 09:53:25 | Report abuse

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Georg says:

The definition of temperature relates to all laws of thermodynamics.

calling one of those more fundamental is nonsense.

This laws were selected for completeness, independence 

and so on much like a set of axioms in math.

In German we call them "Hauptsätze" (main theorems) which gives

them some extra "aura" of beeing more fundamental than, say law of free fall.

Georg

 

 

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posted on 2010-12-05 12:23:51 | Report abuse


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