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why tea scum layer cracks across every second producing such alternating mosaics ? how to predict ?

On the vaporous surface of freshly brewed tea grows often a thin layer of scum. You will observe on the attached video that not only this layer appears to be crazed, but also that the mosaic formed by these cracks regenerates around every second in a new different mosaic, like a mosaic slideshow. This phenomenon may also be observed on very hot coffee. It looks like a chaotic phenomenon. The attached experience was made in a bowl with very hot plain water and green tea. The cracks suddenly propagate across the scum layer and produce a new mosaic. How to explain such a difference between the patterns ? What make the crack propagate ?

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  • Asked by alex62
  • on 2010-12-05 11:09:38
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Georg says:

I just

looked up the word "scum". Do You really mean

that? I would say what You see is fog, tiny water droplets

condensing at the upper edge of the laminar layer

of steam on the tea.

Georg

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posted on 2010-12-07 12:54:12 | Report abuse

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alex62 says:

This is what I thought at first. But when water cools down, the crazed surface of scum remains, without moving. I would be glad to understand the role of vapour or  surface condensation in this phenomenon. Could a thin vapour cushion bear the layer of tea scum and make it crack in a chaotic manner ?

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posted on 2010-12-21 20:59:11 | Report abuse


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StewartH status says:

The layer on top of the tea is calcium carbonate (about 15%) and complex organic compounds from the tea. The actual percentage of calcium carbonate will depend upon the hardness of the water that has been used. In very strong tea, the acids will react with the calcium carbonate to produce carbon dioxide. This will cause the layer to thin out or may even remove it. Adding lemon to the tea will have the same effect.

The tea in contact with the cup will cool faster than the tea in the middle and this will result in convection currents. The flow of tea at the surface, from the middle of the cup to the walls, puts the thin layer under stress and causes the cracking. The thickness of the layer is unlikely to be uniform and the cooling of the cup is also unlikely to be uniform because of air currents and variations in the cup thickness. This gives rise to a chaotic behaviour. The cracks and the variable thickness of the layer on top of the tea will also have some influence on surface cooling of the tea and further affect the formation of the cracks.

You are correct in thinkeing that you are looking at a chaotic system. The fine detil in a chaotic system cannot be predicted.

 

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posted on 2010-12-08 18:17:50 | Report abuse


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tbrucenyc says:

What video?

I think you would have to host it or put it on youtube and give us the link.

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posted on 2010-12-09 23:50:30 | Report abuse

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alex62 says:

The file has been uploaded on The Last Word, but now you can also find it on :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e0bxTiqjxM

I assume this experiment is quite easy to reproduce since I've been used to it for so many years now. Althought it appears to be a daily life phenomenon, it may sometimes be not possible to produce, depending on tea quality, water temp., water hardness...

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posted on 2010-12-21 20:45:02 | Report abuse


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Martin123 says:

... not sure where the scum comes from, but if it spoils your enjoyment of a nice cuppa tea, scoop it off the surface with kitchen paper.

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posted on 2011-05-29 20:18:51 | Report abuse


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scottinthebox says:

There are two factors at work on the top of your cup of tea: a surface "scum" described earlier by a respondent as calcium carbonate; and the turbulent eddies refreshing the surface.

The turbulent eddies are setup by convection currents in the hot tea. These eddies disturb the surface and crack the scum much like the sea causing cracks across ice sheets. The eddies disturbing and refreshing the surface can be described by the Kolmogorov Turbulence Theory (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbulence).

This is where my memory ends though... I remember this as being one of the last classes at university and then later, at the graduation luncheon, watching eddies refreshing the surface of my coffee thinking "Kolmogorov Theory!".

Kevin.

 

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posted on 2011-08-11 04:22:20 | Report abuse


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