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Is there a void at the centre of the Earth?

It seems to be generally assumed that there is an extremely high pressure at the centre of a planet such as the Earth.  I don’t think this can be correct, surely there should be no pressure at all, a void.  Could someone please explain why my reasoning is wrong?Pressure is due to the weight of (for example) air or water pressing down, due to it’s mass and gravitational attraction.  Ascending, the weight of material above decreases, so decreasing the pressure.  Pressure rises (at first) when descending from the surface as the weight of the column of material above increases.But at the planetary core (or more correctly, the true centre of gravity) there can be no net gravitational force because the attractive forces of every particle in the planet (and indeed beyond the planet) cancel.  It is a zero-gravity place.  As one moves from the core, out of any void and towards the surface, the amount of material directly above becomes less and that below (through the core to the diametrically opposite surface) increases, so that a net gravitational pull towards the core develops, reaching a maximum at the surface.  There will be an intermediate point between the core and the surface where the weight of material above is at a maximum (due to net gravitational pull and depth of material above) and here the pressure will be at a maximum, decreasing both upwards and downwards.  At the exact centre, without any attractive force, there can be no pressure if the planet can be considered as an unrestrained system (and with fluid magma and tectonic movement this is surely the case, the planet is flexible).  It is very hot  in the centre, so particles in the vicinity will be thermally mobile and drawn to areas of gravitational pull, away from the very centre.  This effect will keep the core empty; to what extent I wouldn’t wish to speculate, but I should guess not a major part of the entire globe.  This low pressure and low density volume at the centre may be noticeable, and I wonder if this could explain some of the anomalous observations about planetary and solar cores.

If correct, this effect should be seen in many large agglomerations of fluid particles such as stars, or even a Galaxy.  (But NOT the entire Universe – it is expanding).  Perhaps there is more matter located towards the galactic periphery than in the centre, and this might help explain the anomalous galactic rotational speeds which have led to the postulation of dark matter.  Is the concept of dark matter actually needed if the galaxies have a different mass distribution to that usually assumed with gravitational pull a maximum somewhat away from the centre?However, I do wonder how the black holes that seem to inhabit the centre of many galaxies can remain ‘locked’ into position in the centre of an otherwise gravitationally neutral place.I feel that this whole concept is all too simple and somewhere I must have made a mistake, so I would really appreciate someone explaining why I am wrong.

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Georg says:

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posted on 2010-12-09 22:41:16 | Report abuse


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Jon-Richfield says:

R37,

Some of your ideas as you describe them have merit. However, you erred in failing to inspect some of the the basic concepts and implications carefully enough. Yes, it is true that we may neglect the gravitational attraction of a negligible space at the Earth's centre of mass; in fact, for our purposes, we could well ignore the gravitational attraction of a few cubic metres of rather dense matter around that centre.

 

However, if you were to inspect the vectors of gravitational attraction of each particle in the mass for all the other particles, you would find that the resultant vector on each one is towards the centre. This remains true whether the planet has a hollow at the centre or not; if we somehow managed to puff it up by a few millimetres or a few kilometres, that hollow would collapse disastrously and practically instantaneously.

 

Secondly, pressure in the sense that we are discussing here is essentially isotropic; no matter in which direction you measure it it is the same. It is not like a lot of thumbs all pressing from above; it is the result of a lot of molecules, or at any rate particles, bouncing in all directions with the same average kinetic energy (temperature if you like).

 

An analogous effect is if you blow into a stiff-fish balloon. As a result of the tension of the stretched membrane, the gas is under pressure. But it is for most practical purposes under the same pressure whether we measure it in the direction of the centre of the balloon all the membrane or any other direction. The particles involved (the gas molecules inside the balloon) are not terribly fussy about the directions they move in and keep changing as they bump into each other. The net effect is a thoroughly isotropic pressure.

 

Now, it now seems that the material at the centre of the planet is in fact solid rather than liquid, so it is possible that there is some trivial anisotropy involved, but for all practical purposes I think we may ignore that. The upshot is that the total effect of all the gravitational attractions between the particles in the planet from our shoe soles down, in fact from the most tenuous layers of our atmosphere down, is towards the centre of the planet, and all the way down at that.

 

Does that help? If not ask again.

 

Cheers,

 

Jon

 

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posted on 2010-12-10 09:23:27 | Report abuse


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Paul_Pedant says:

Quite so, Jon. We had a similar question relating to a gravitational spike at the centre of gravity wells in black holes and massive galaxies.

Basically, the pressure at the centre is the integration of the 6400 km of mass above. The fact that the rate of increase of pressure falls to zero does not reverse any of the previously accumulated total.

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posted on 2010-12-13 12:21:25 | Report abuse


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