Dictionary.com says a billion is "a cardinalnumberrepresentedintheU.S.by1followedby9zeros,andinGreatBritainby 1followedby12zeros." It also seems it indicate that British definition is no longer used, although it's unclear on that.
Does a billion still represent two different numbers among scientists? If not, when did this change? Wouldn't older papers still use the old definition? Has this discrepency caused any practical problems in scientific projects--particularly in relation to astronomy and physics?
I see Germany and a number of other non-English speaking countries still use the long scales. Hopefully translators know enough to change a German billion to an English trillion.
So I would assume Einstein changed over when he left Germany for America, but this would have remained a problem for other German scientists. Since this involves different languages, I assume we have to rely on translators getting it correct.
The UK officially switched in 1974. Wouldn't this mean that books and papers written before 1974 use the old system? In other words, if we read a paper by Roger Penrose written in the late-1960s and it says there are a billion dinguses in the universe, we won't know whether there are actually a thousand million or a million million dinguses in the universe. Right?
Or did scientists switch over long before the government got around to making it official?
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'm in America so I'm glad to know that New Scientist is using the same billion that I do.
Thanks for responding, Georg. You wrote: "Regarding You asking 'among scientists'. What makes You think that this has ever been a problem for scientists?"
I recall a few years ago when a spacecraft was lost because someone forgot to convert their measurements from metric to standard. I can see the same problem arising if a billion could mean a billion, a milliard or trillion. There's a huge difference in the amounts. It's even greater with a trillion, which can mean either a billion or a quintillion. That could really throw off your calculations. Hopefully no one is basing their calculations on pre-1974 work without being aware of this problem.
I'm sorry NOT all thermo tables are in calories. All my uni texts were in joules and we used to laugh at old fashioned writers who would insist on using the calorie system in new text books. I'm not advocating one or the other, i understand that both meausurements are based on measureable physical properties, however, joules are the SI units and it is called the standard international units for a reason.
There are three things I learned at school that are no longer so, and that makes me feel rather old.
Everest was 29,002 feet high, and it grew 27 feet on the Chinese side, while I only grew 5 foot ten inches.
A billion was a million million, and because Yanks count on their fingers, now it is only a thousand million.
An inch was 2.5402 and a bit centimetres, and now it has legally shrunk to exactly 2.54 cm to make the French less confused.
To go with the Mars lander getting lost between metres and feet, I did hear of the Shuttle mission which was going to use a laser reflector to measure the height of an observatory in Hawaii. Every time they tried to align the Shuttle, it turned upside down. Apparently somebody had programmed it with the information that the mountain was around 5000 km high, instead of 5000 metres.
It is interesting to read the other replys and the Wikipedia article referred to by Jon in the first reply. Despite having gone to primary school in Australia after the 1974 change over by the UK, I learnt that a billion was a million million.
Now that I work as a mathematician, I still follow the long scale rule for naming numbers, i.e.:
1 = One
10 = Ten
100 = Hundred (Tens of Tens)
1,000 = One Thousand (Tens of Hundreds)
10,000 = Ten Thousand
100,000 = Hundred Thousand
1,000,000 = Million
10,000,000 = Ten Million
100,000,000 = Hundred Million
1,000,000,000 = Thousand Million (Milliard or "US" Billion)
10,000,000,000 = Ten Thousand Million
100,000,000,000 = Hundred Thousand Million
1,000,000,000,000 = Billion (Million Millions or "UK" Billion)
Of couse, as a scientist, I use the standard SI measurements (metres, grams, etc.) and so when writing large numbers I use scientific notation (e.g. 10^12) or standard prefixes (e,g. Kilo, Mega, Giga, Tera) and avoid (where possible) referring to billion, trillion, quadrillion etc. as the ambiguity of the number names may lead others to misinterpret my statements. When others use number names like billion without also providing the number in scientific notation, I immediate ask for a clarification of whether they mean 10^9 or 10^12.
I also do a fair amount of work with permutations of sporting team player line ups and so I am aware that 11! is approximately 40 million and 15! is approximately 1.31 x 10^12. When I present these figures I am very careful not to say 1.31 billion, but rather "1.31 million million" or "1.31 by 10^12" to ensure my audience is aware of the true scale of the numbers.
With regards to the Mars mission, I like to use that as an example to my students of how "trusting the computer output" can lead to disaster if you don't have an estimate of the correct answer and the correct order of magnitude, especially when working with very large numbers.
Years ago there was an article in one of the pro computer rags (CACM perhaps?) in which the writer said rude things about students who could not tell the difference between milliseconds, nor tell when to think about it. Usually it makes no difference of course, but when it does make a difference, it is SOME difference!
He appended a table of orders of magnitudes from Atto- to Exa-, together with examples of the kind of thing one would measure with each. I think he mentioned weight, time, distance etc. Can't remember. However, my point is that he was right on with the importance of being able to visualise such things. My wife used to teach maths, and she was driven to near-neurosis by people (not always pupils) who would make the most ludicrous errors or draw the most nonsensical conclusions from finger trouble or miscalculations.