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Where does water come from?

I assume that most of the water on our planet came from the inter-solar "soup" which formed into our planets whether through the initial formation of our planet or through impacts from moisture laden comets.  If so, where did that water come from? 

Since all heavy elements were formed inside of stars, what was the process where such large amounts of oxygen and hydrogen teamed up to form water?  Water seems to be a competent of all planetary bodies (obviously, some more than others), and the stuff is still whizzing by us periodically in the form of comets.

How could such huge amounts of water come into existance?

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Jon-Richfield says:

It is not clear to me what logical difficulty you have in mind. Oxygen is the third most abundant element in the known universe in terms of mass. This is largely because of the nature of nucleosynthesis in stars. Oxygen simply happens to be one of the most stable nuclei occurring in the pathway. Accordingly, when stars explode by whatever process, there is a lot of oxygen splashed out into space.

As you plainly are aware, there also is a lot of hydrogen, whether as detritus from stars, or from the big bang. Now, an element as active as oxygen will grab electrons from whatever is going, and no element more plentiful than hydrogen is going in this universe anyway. Oxygen will react vigorously with hydrogen under most realistic circumstances, and because the hydrogen, on an atom-for-atom basis, is far and away the most abundant element, oxygen will most frequently occur in combination with hydrogen, and more particularly as water. Accordingly water is (relatively) common in space, and so is the hydroxyl radical. Wherever it can condense, it does so, usually as ice or as water of crystallisation. Its appearance on earth and in comets is simply a consequence of these facts and the local circumstances.

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posted on 2011-01-28 09:00:46 | Report abuse

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DanP24 says:

So, what you're saying is oxygen and hydrogen will just naturally attach themselves to one another when they are close enough (I'm no chemist)?  There is no other reaction or force necessary?

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posted on 2011-01-28 12:27:44 | Report abuse

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petethebloke says:

>So, what you're saying is oxygen and hydrogen will just naturally attach themselves to one another when they are close enough (I'm no chemist)?  There is no other reaction or force necessary?<

It's not quite like that. If you mix two parts gaseous hydrogen with one part gaseous oxygen the mixture will sit quite happily for a long time. Introduce a spark and the whole lot will explode with great vigour and you'll be left with water.

The point is that gaseous hydrogen and oxygen are both fairly stable, but it doesn't take a lot of heat to rupture the molecular "glue" and create free radicals which are extremely reactive. Once a couple of hydrogens have joined to an oxygen they give off enough heat to set in train a chain reaction that propagates with great rapidity - hence the explosion.

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posted on 2011-01-28 14:26:10 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

What Pete says is correct of course for normal laboratory work, where we routinely have access to molecular oxygen and hydrogen. (Mind you, if your oxygen happens to be ozone, you need not wait for a spark! Also, ozone or no ozone, if you have a reasonably good mix of say, 1 part of H2 to 8 parts of O2 by mass, it had better not be a large mass! Or it had better be a seriously strong container. The little "phew" noise that your chemistry teacher might show you when lighting a test tube of hydrogen gives you no idea of the violence of hydrogen/oxygen explosions, or even their burning.) 

But in space, given millions of years, and with all sorts of wavelengths of ultraviolet and even more energetic photons ionising molecules and producing free atoms, you would expect very few oxygen atoms not to find partners pretty soon. What with the overwhelming majority of atoms in most parts of the universe being hydrogen, it is a safe bet that a search for molecular O2 would have to be intensive, and you had better get there quickly before some hydrogen atom beats you to it!

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posted on 2011-01-28 17:02:59 | Report abuse

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petethebloke says:

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Before submitting my answer I tried to find out whether H2 and O2 could react to form water non-explosively. What I mean is: if you left them sitting in a vessel for long enough, would you find it bereft of gas with a little puddle of water at the bottom? (Or, more likely, full of gaseous water... but you know what I mean).

After all, methane doesn't survive for long in the atmosphere - surely H2 can't stay round for long in O2? Or is it bang! or nothin' ?

 

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posted on 2011-01-28 18:33:47 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

Pete,

That looks like a nice, simple question deserving a nice simple answer, but would you believe it...?

It all depends...

If you put nice, cold, dry, clean O2+H2 in a clean glass vessel in the dark under low pressure, with no catalysts and radiation anywhere, you might have to wait a few lifetimes for much H2O or H2O2 to show up, let alone a major reaction, flame or explosion.

However, the more you increase the temperature and pressure and radiation, the more spontaneous reaction proceeds, and the greater the prospect of ignition. Sprinkle a bit of Pd powder, or even put in a strip of Pd metal, and you can be pretty sure of reaction, in fact you might be asking for trouble.

Just plain dry O2 + H2 in bright sunlight will react slowly (H2+Cl2 would explode) and O2 + H2 at 100C to 200C also react slowly, but significantly.

Get the picture? A spark or an accident could set it off, but there is slow reaction under a wide range of circumstances. If you are talking about storing the mix together for geological timespans, you might as well label your stores as H2O.

You will be right for almost the whole time.

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posted on 2011-01-28 19:44:33 | Report abuse


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Georg says:

Pete, Jon,

the formation of  water is rather simple:

- When a nova/supernova blasts, this is a mixture of Ions/atoms/electrons 

at an very high temperature. (a "plasma")

- This stuff will expand into space, cooling down and expanding, which means

pressure will become very low.

- As long as temperature is above 3300 °C water cannot form,

because this is equilibrium temperature for water formation.

- After some time there will be a very diluted gas consisting of

hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms (and other atoms)

- From time to time a H-Atom and a oxygen atom will collide ,

but building of a OH-molecule does not happen, because there is no way

to get rid of the binding energy. This would need a third collision

partner, but three-particle collisions do not happen even at

atmospheric pressure!.

- It needs coarse "dirt" particles like silicates or graphite or what ever, 

think of that dirt which makes up cometes..

On the surface of such particles the  atoms can "dwell" for some time,

and thus H2-molecules,  OH-groups and then H2O (water) is synthesized.

So, nobody needs to think about flames or explosions to form water.

Georg

 

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