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This is what happened when I warmed up the car and opened the window.

 

8 AM Feb 2, 2011 New York City    -  -  Click on photo to enlarge -

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Jon-Richfield says:

Not sure what the question is. The picture seems to me to show riffled glass outside a partly open normal window. What am I missing? Fog? lots of wet?

If I cede 50$ of the score, can I ask what you thought I should notice immediately?

 

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posted on 2011-02-02 16:56:45 | Report abuse

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tbrucenyc says:

What you shoud have noticed were the "tags".

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posted on 2011-02-02 19:16:33 | Report abuse


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Jon-Richfield says:

Good, now at least I can use up this $%%^&* duplicate post...

Well, I still don't see anything special in the  picture; is there some frost that formed in the car when you did the warming up? The furry appearance on some of the fittings?

If so, I have no better suggestion than that the warming up evaporated moisture and possibly frost as well, raising the ambient humidity to well above the dewpoint, while the air and fittings' temperature was well below freezing.

Then, if it only happened when you opened the window, it might have been the influx of colder air than what had been in the car overnight, conceivably rich in nucleating dust particles, that set the process off... Symmetry breaking and all that!

Am I still missing the point? I often do, you know!

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posted on 2011-02-02 17:07:37 | Report abuse


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petethebloke says:

What I'm seeing is a sheet of ice. The interesting bit is that the ice has stayed in a sheet even when the window was rolled down. I assume the heat inside the car melted the ice where it touched the window, allowing the window to move and the ice to stay intact.

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Is that it?

Sometimes, when ice climbing, I would realise that the "solid" material supporting me was merely a layer of ice with a waterfall behind it. The disturbing feeling of climbing on not-very-much-at-all usually gets worse as you ascend because the ice tends to thin towards the top. I think this sheet of ice is similarly constructed.

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posted on 2011-02-03 10:13:41 | Report abuse


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Jon-Richfield says:

Good grief Pete!!!

Hitherto I would have given odds of 7 to 6 that you were at least marginally sane!

Do you have any phobias concerning men with butterfly nets? I am not nervous of heights as such, but being unable to control my falling or not falling gives me the heebies. Getting me to climb an unsupported wall of ice of undetermined fragility would be harder than getting me to skate over a thin sheet of the stuff over deep water, which in turn would be of the same order as getting me to fly by fluttering my hands.

So, Bruce, is Pete right? Is that bathroom window effect a sheet of ice in contact with your car window, and not an outside window? I notice it is wet. If that really is right, then I can only assume that the ice formed on the car from an outside source of spray or concentrated freezing fog, the large scale of the ripples being the effect of positive feedback and surface tension.

If that is so, I suppose that the sheet was not far from melting point and when you  warmed the interior of the car the heat melted the ice in contact with the glass, thereby enabling you to open the window.

Am I getting (you should excuse the expression) warm?

Given our weather outside at the moment, it would be nice if you could exchange half of your weather for half of ours!

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posted on 2011-02-03 11:47:46 | Report abuse

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petethebloke says:

>Hitherto I would have given odds of 7 to 6 that you were at least marginally sane!<

That's still less than 50% Jon, but thanks anyway!

Climbers always say that it's not falling you have to fear, but landing. They also say that you can't fall if you don't let go. Neither piece of advice was enough to keep me going - I was very keen for about 20 years and then gave up overnight after having my family's fears revealed to me in a Damascene moment.

I don't half miss it sometimes, though...

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posted on 2011-02-03 12:06:12 | Report abuse

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tbrucenyc says:

Yes Jon, now you've got it! Since your in South Africa, I guess it's a stretch to think that an ice storm could form such a robust sheet of ice.

I started the car 15 minutes before I needed to leave. Pete had it figured out...  The heater had been running for a while, the ice sheet must have become separated from the glass by a thin film of water.

It was surprising to see it when I opened the window hoping to shed the ice to get some visibility for driving. No luck. One must push the ice away. It breaks away in hand sized pieces. Some of it falls into the car.

I put it on facebook. An inner city friend commented, " Blaghahaaa! You need to roll down the ice bro!".

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posted on 2011-02-03 13:55:20 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

Pete, I lost a friend some 20+ years ago. He got nitrogen narcosis quarry diving. He was an instructor of several years' standing. He was a cautious and intelligent type. Whether the pupil who died with him was the cause or simply a victim, I don't know. He left a wife and an 18-month-old daughter who since has grown into one of the most attractive and impressive young women I know.

I am sorry that you were deprived of your passtime, but I am glad you stopped, whether you could have continued safely or not.

Bruce, What really fooled me (I still am amazed) was the riffling, which looks so convincingly like commercial riffled glass!

Thanks for the picture and the information. One lives, one learns!

 

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posted on 2011-02-03 14:32:26 | Report abuse


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