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let us consider a electro magnet very very powerful and an iron piece 4 light years far.

wiil not the piece attach to the maget only after eight years i.e. 4 light years for the energy to reach the iron and 4 light years to come back.

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  • on 2011-02-13 08:37:40
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Jon-Richfield says:

Sid,

you could do yourself some big  favours by quietly thinking out your questions before putting them into words. You give me the impression that you are too impatient; you talk while thinking instead of thinking before you talk. I must sympathise, but if you first write out what you want to say, then put it aside and get someone else to read it to you and tell you what he thinks you meant,  you would be badly surprised and would hurry to write something very different.

The bad news is that you would do better to write the new version slowly!

Now, about your super magnet...

>wiil not the piece attach to the maget only after eight years i.e. 4 light years for the energy to reach the iron and 4 light years to come back.<

Yes and no. assume that you start by making the magnet, say having wrapped a massive solenoid around a core, and at time X you start up the current.

Your iron at Alpha Centauri would only begin to react to the field after 4 years. It would take you another four years (eight in all) to see the iron react. The first light to carry that information back to your telescope would only have started four years after the generator of the electric power for your magnet had begun to chug. 

But, "... the piece attach to the maget......"? The iron could only reach your magnet long, long after, millions of years after, if at all. Your magnetic impulse could travel at the speed of light, having no mass, but the iron does have mass and would take huge amounts of time to travel four light years!

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posted on 2011-02-13 12:04:34 | Report abuse

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petethebloke says:

>Your magnetic impulse could travel at the speed of light<

Jon

Did I read somewhere once upon a time, that a magnetic field can actually exceed the speed of light in effect? I think it's because a pulsar can rotate at speeds sufficient such that the field is passing distant parts of the universe at c++ (my newly coined symbol for speeds in X/S of light speed). A bit like the big stick we were chatting about with Ryan last week, but more sophisticated, perhaps.

Could ye whack it? (As we say in Derry; to which the standard response is, "Not with a big stick").

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posted on 2011-02-13 13:43:50 | Report abuse

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Jon-Richfield says:

I wouldn't even poke it with a big stick.

I cannot deny what you ask because i can't assert a negative with any authority, but the only thing I can remember that resembles what you mention is  that if you have an effectively infinite cylinder rotating at near-light speeds you could use some of the consequences to travel back in time.

Now that is a safe assertion; not only would it take a couple of galaxies' worth of material and a few more's worth of energy to try the experiment, but several billion years as well.

For a magnetic field to do what you describe though,the only similar thing I can think of is the fact that if you swing a laser pointer across the moon from Earth, the spot could move faster than light. That is no problem. There is no real physiclal travel involved and no superluminal transfer of information. I reckon that you could perform similar tricks with magnetic fields and spinning magnets much weaker than pulsars.

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posted on 2011-02-13 19:26:51 | Report abuse


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Georg says:

Its more like never!

Energy function between a dipole and a induced dipole is

inversely   proportional to ( r up 6 )  ; force hence is the same 

at ( r up 7)  !

For that reason, the force of gravity ( r² ) between that electromagnet,

however small, will be much higher at 4 light years than themagnetic force.

In practice, at an distance of about 100 times the distance between the poles,

You will need extremely good instruments to "see" some magnetic field.

And last not least: such small magnetic fields do not induce ferromegnetism.

To move domain boundaries in a ferromagnetic material You need some 

minimum field strength. Below that, the piece of iron will behave as a

paramagnetic material.

Georg

 PS why doesnt this editor allow exponentials?) They appear

as I want in the editor , but after saving only some question mark shines up.

For 2 it works, for 6 or 7 it does not

 

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posted on 2011-02-13 13:43:45 | Report abuse


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